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by sabeth
Posted to Diaries, Diary on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 04:17:21 PM PST
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Jumbled thoughts not organized enough for a real story ...

After talking with janra a bit about the site, I pondered a bit about Write On! and its role as a scoop site on writing. It sits, like a lot of scoop/collaborative sites, at an intersection between resource and community. Having quality articles about the "art and craft of writing" that get linked to by writing classes is acting as a resource. But discussion and contributions by readers is what the "community" side is about.

As people interested in writing, presumably honing our skills in our own creative writing, we have not much to offer but our own experience, both as people who write and people who read. Just because this isn't a forum for critiquing each others' creative writing, doesn't mean that what we bring can't be personal -- in fact, since writing, like any art, is a matter of taste, what we write is bound to be at least somewhat personal.

Here are some ideas for stories "about writing" that I wonder if they would fit into Write On!:

This doesn't mean relaxing standards completely. There is a distinction between providing a context and inviting comment on it, and throwing out a question with a "what does everyone think?" The latter is lazy, but the former can be an article that asks its readers to re-write (or augment) it given their own thoughts and experiences.

Anyway, as disclaimed above, just some thoughts from a sometime lurker.

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    I like. (3.00/0) (#1)
    by ana on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 05:31:27 AM PST
    Practical advice is always useful. I, for one, have trouble creating unsympathetic characters who are not also flat. So talk about how, in practice, one approaches these things would be useful. And I won't even mention the lack of plot in my fiction...
    Exploring dark places since last Thursday
    and, if not practical ... (3.00/0) (#2)
    by sabeth on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 07:11:16 AM PST
    at least commiseration/alternate perspectives may be worth something!

    Perhaps the most interesting criticism I ever got was someone telling me a character in my story wasn't unsympathetic enough. But yeah, that is a hard thing to manage. I see failures in this all the time, especially on TV, where they seem to give characters that you're not supposed to like inexplicable British accents as a kind of shorthand that they're not likeable. (Although, contrast that with Spike from Buffy.) I think part of the trick is, even the bad guy is right at least some of the time.

    I also suffer from terminal lack of plot. I thought your NoNo did fairly well in this regard. I tend to struggle with the problem of "where is this all going?" ... after mulling over aspects of the latest scribblings-in-progress, I'm starting to think that starting at the end and sorta writing backwards may help. (This ties somewhat into the whole timeline discussion we had.) I'm going to give it a try, anyway.

    --ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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    Some excellent ideas (3.00/0) (#3)
    by janra on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 08:54:05 AM PST
    I do tend to be fairly abstract, don't I?

    I especially like your third point... I can already see somebody writing about Tolkien and how his writing is overrated :-)

    I will try to remember to phrase questions in my articles more concretely, as you suggest with the "awful writing" one. That suggestion actually ties in with an article I was reading recently, about the ladder of abstraction. You can't spend all your time at the top of the ladder in pure idea-space, you have to come down and get dirty with concrete, specific things. That's what really drives the ideas home, after all, since that's what we have direct experience with.

    --
    Who needs to be big and burly when you can just apply physics?

    thanks for the link (3.00/0) (#4)
    by sabeth on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:55:54 PM PST
    That looks like an useful series (bookmarked for later perusal), and the "ladder of abstraction" concept is something I'll keep in mind for a piece I'm currently wrestling with. It's interesting though, it seems to diss the "middle of the ladder" while leaving how to make the leaps between the two ends effectively as an exercise for the reader :) Oh well, I suppose that's the point, but is the middle ground all just a morass? *wanders off to do #5, the Google search ...*

    But before that, if you think that the kind of thing described in the second bullet might be worth trying, I could maybe give that a try (no firm promises, I always seem to have twice as many projects as I actually have time to do, but it sounds like it might be fun). I actually dug out my copy of The Art of Fiction after writing this, and found a chapter on the time-shifting that I've been obsessed with of late ... I think that is going to be bedside reading for the next few days ...

    Also, I just noticed that you still have an "Exercises" section, but it's not very active. Maybe having more regular exercises would generate more regular traffic -- or pairing more topical stories on specific aspects of writing with related practical exercises would encourage participation. Unfortunately, Scoop's story moderation isn't well suited for submitting paired articles.

    --ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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