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The Treacherous Second Person

by sabeth
Posted to Craft, Style and Voice on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:41:35 AM PST
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While the pronoun "I" invites a reader into the life of the narrator, the word that reaches out across the gap between the writer and his audience is the second person, "you." Deft use of the second person, along with understanding of your audience can draw the reader into your work, but this power is not without risk. It can also backfire if the reader doesn't identify with the role you have created, and end up alienating him instead.

The General

On January 19, voters will caucus in Iowa. Unlike a primary, a caucus is a big time commitment. You can't just go into a booth and pull a lever, then go home to your warm television. Only a small percentage of Iowa voters participate in caucuses, giving no indication of what the larger pool will actually do come November. They drive through knee-high snow to meet in gymnasiums, pig farms, and fire stations. Within a half hour of the start time, people have to declare what candidate they are in favor of. The Republicans caucus with secret ballots. Democratic caucuses divide into groups and if your man gets less than 15 percent, you can go with another candidate or you can go home. Undecideds are wooed publicly, their fellows calling out to them in a process I call "mooing." Mooing sounds like this: "Hey Jay Bob, honey pie, come over to Gephardt country and get yourself some good loving." To caucus is to take two hours out of your day, at least, and travel to some forlorn destination in deep winter snow and still not have your vote counted.

--Stephen Elliott, Looking Forward to It

The second person does not always address the reader or listener directly. It can also be used in a generic way, as with directions: "To get to Harvard Square from Fenway Park via the T, you take the Green line to Park Street, then change to the Red line in the direction of Alewife."

The passage above uses second person sparingly to describe what happens during an electoral caucus for the people who participate in one. Elliott alternates between inserting "you" in the role of an Iowa voter and describing the events from afar, but the present tense throughout marks this as a generic description of a process fleshed out with imagined details. Some parts may not ring true for all people -- one might think, "I never get to go home to my TV after voting, I have to work on election day!" But the implied "If you were an Iowa voter, this is what you might do" places the entire scene in the hypothetical, and gets the author off the hook for any disparities between what he describes and what the reader's real experience may be.

Note that in the passage it is also implied that "you" are a Democrat, and to a lesser degree, backing a loser. Elliott's book is a personal chronicle of his months spent on the campaign trail during the Democratic primaries for the 2004 US election. As he meets the candidates, their campaign staffs, and the journalists covering the whole circus, he fumbles, along with the rest of the Democratic party, to decide who the nominee for President should be. He assumes that anyone interested in his story probably shares some of his political views, and has some sympathy for his feelings of disenchantment and futility regarding the electoral process.

The Personal

There are easy ways to tell if you've been cursed with total recall. As a child, it probably started with music. You memorized the lyrics to every Beatles song and wrote them in the margins of your school notebooks. Classmates called on you to act out whole scenes from horror movies, or recall all the bit players in the Watergate burglary. Teachers gave you a few minutes to do a stand-up act at the end of every homeroom because otherwise there was no way to contain all the information you'd stuffed into your mind.

...

The only way to make a living with this memory was to teach people how to read and what to read. Your memory told you that the greatest strength was through writing about the past. Anybody could do it. You taught creative writing and literature, and with each word you read you remembered more about the particular styles your students were learning to develop. Was there a need to strictly follow lesson plans and drill into your students all those stale dramatic and poetic terms they'd have to recall for the mid-term? Of course not. There was no need to follow notes because you remembered it all.

--Christopher J. Stephens, "Our memory is there as blessing and curse" Metro, Boston edition 07 Feb 2005

This excerpt features the first and third paragraphs (out of five) from a short essay that appeared in a daily free newspaper. For more than half of the article, the use of second person is consistent. Does this make it more successful than the passage quoted above? In my opinion, it does not.

It begins innocently enough. It poses the hypothetical, "if you have total recall ..." and follows it with "probably." But then it continues with paragraph upon paragraph of statements about "you." Remembering song lyrics or movie quotes may be something most people can identify with, or at least imagine what it would be like to have a good memory for such details. But doing stand-up routines in class? This is beginning to move from the generic "you" of a role the reader can imagine himself in, to what feels like the specific experience of an individual. The past tense reinforces the impression that these are actual events, rather than possibilities.

The third paragraph carries this further. Teaching creative writing is "[t]he only way to make a living" for someone with total recall? That generalization doesn't feel intuitively true, and the author doesn't provide any support for it other than attributing more thoughts and motives to "you." It feels more and more like the "you" in this piece is the author in disguise, and that is likely to rankle with readers. Imposing thoughts and feelings on the second person, especially detailed and personal ones, runs a much greater risk of losing the reader than describing general actions.

After this paragraph the article switches to the first person, and the author confesses to being burdened not only with trivia but also bad memories that he cannot forget. This is a touching turn, but the article would have been stronger if it had dropped the second person pretense earlier, or if it had been limited to a second sentence that read "Maybe your childhood was similar to mine."

The Purely Fictional

If man has not become more bloodthirsty from civilization, at any rate he has certainly become bloodthirsty in a worse, a viler way than formerly. Formerly, he saw justice in bloodshed and with a quiet conscience exterminated whoever he had to; while now, though we do regard bloodshed as vile, we still occupy ourselves with this vileness, and even more than formerly. Which is worse? -- decide for yourselves. They say that Cleopatra (excuse this example from Roman history) liked to stick golden pins into her slave girls' breasts, and took pleasure in their screaming and writhing. You'll say that this was, relatively speaking, in barbarous times; that now, too, the times are barbarous because (again relatively speaking) now, too, pins get stuck in; that now, too, though man has learned to see more clearly on occasion than in barbarous times, he is still far from having grown accustomed to acting as reason and science dictate. But even so you are perfectly confident that he will not fail to grow accustomed once one or two old bad habits have passed and once common sense and science have thoroughly re-educated and given a normal direction to human nature. You are confident that man will then voluntarily cease making mistakes and, willy-nilly, so to speak, refuse to set his will at variance with his normal interests. Moreover: then, you say ...

--Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground

In fiction the second person sometimes appears when the author or narrator steps out of the story to address the reader; in other cases, it is used when the narrator is addressing another character directly (for example, in an epistolary novel that takes the form of letters from one character to another).

In Notes from Underground, it is unclear at first which of these approaches Dostoevsky is using. The narrator is never given a name, nor are the "gentlemen" he addresses throughout the first section of the book identified. Are they intended to represent the readers of the novella, or is there someone in particular the narrator is conversing with? Either way, the narrator adopts an aggressively hostile tone with his audience, putting words in their mouths and then refuting the arguments he presents on their behalf. Dostoevsky's narrator doesn't want his audience to be sympathetic to him; instead he pushes them away at every opportunity, running the risk that the people who buy the book will be alienated as well.

Under the relentless barrage of "you"s it is hard for the reader not to see himself in the role of the "gentlemen" the narrator is debating with. This is an uncomfortable position, because we are used to identifying with the narrator rather than being at odds with him, and also because the opinions that are pushed onto the "gentlemen" may not agree with the reader's own views. Furthermore, the narrator does not allow his opponents to be persuaded by his arguments, either. Page after page "you" are forced into the role of devil's advocate so as to allow the narrator to express his ideas, without being able to concede a point, strengthen an argument, or even agree with the narrator's premise.

Does Dostoevsky allow the reader to extricate himself from the conflict between the narrator and his audience? The narrator eventually admits,

To be sure, I myself have just made up all these words of yours.

And here's another puzzle for me: why indeed do I call you "gentlemen," why do I address you as if you were actually my readers? Such confessions as I intend to begin setting forth here are not published and given to others to read.

I, however, am writing only for myself, and I declare once and for all that even if I write as if I were addressing readers, that is merely a front, because it's easier for me to write that way. It's a form, just an empty form, and I shall never have any readers.

The statement that he will never have readers is not entirely true, even if he never publishes his notes or shares them with anyone. He will have himself, poring obsessively over his writing -- the "you" he is speaking to is really the narrator himself. The debate, in which the writer argues both sides, is a dramatization of the internal conflict within the Underground Man, and which he is unable or unwilling to resolve.

Conclusion

The second person, "you," allows a writer to manipulate the author-reader relationship. But when writing it is hard to anticipate your reader's reactions, so there are a few things to keep in mind when using the second person. Are you speaking to the reader directly? Are you asking him to imagine himself in a hypothetical situation? If you attribute actions or thoughts to the second person, can you really expect the reader to identify with them as if they were his own? What kind of assumptions are you making about the reader? If the "you" in the piece is a fictional character rather than the reader, are there signs that make this clear?

Finally, the appearance of the second person in a narrative can sometimes be distracting, and the more it is used, the more likely it is to strike a wrong note. But the effectiveness of second person techniques can often vary from reader to reader. I've given a few examples of the second person above with my impressions of whether they were successful or not; do you agree, or have other examples of good or bad use of second person?

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The Treacherous Second Person | 12 comments (10 topical, 0 hidden)
Two Simple Observations About You (4.00/2) (#3)
by channing on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 11:42:55 PM PST

I think you would be well served to separate the use of the word into two contexts, for the sake of readability (convenience) and for the sake of voice (artistic use). Talking about it in terms of voice is the thing that's fun. The main thing is rhythm. Some writers find a much better rhythm with 'you.' Hemingway's short sentences are an example.

However, if one wants to see the power of 'you.' The best place to look is one's seventies record collection. Listen to the crackling of any Pink Floyd record of the Roger Waters era. He is the master of using 'you.' These lines from three different songs are totally dependant on the word.

There is no pain you are receding The distant ships smoke on the horizon You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying. ...

You bought a guitar to punish your mum You didn't like school and you know you're nobody's fool ...

So, so you think you can tell heaven from hell, blue skys from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? a smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

In the first example he's all at once placing you in the scene and forcing you to experience his emotional state. You are with him and inside of him. In the second, he is describing someone. Could that be you? That is the question he posits. It sure was a lot of people because I was hardly born when it came out and it floated right out of my memory and on to the page. The third use of you is a direct challenge. These are two of the great lines in the history of language. They, almost by default, immediately lead one into a state of introspection.

That, my friends, is what writing is all about--creating value for the reader. And also BTW the point the Great Russian makes wonderfully. (He doesn't give a damn whether the reader likes it or not; he just wants the reader to think--to ponder.)

Finally, there is the opposite perspective. Norman Mailer is very keen on using the journalistic "one" in situations where it is obviously unnatural to do so. Read Armies of the Night. There is rarely an instance where 'I' or 'You' is used in the whole book. He only uses 'one.' I think he did it to portray a sense of faux elitism, sort of a way ridiculing how the "square" media was reporting on the Vietnam War. Personally, I'd never use 'one' unless someone specifically told me not to do it.

Why take a chance on missing out on good accidental art?

a matter of register (5.00/2) (#4)
by sabeth on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 03:11:05 PM PST
You have a good point that "you" is sometimes just more appropriate than a more formal alternative such as "one" -- notice I didn't suggest that "you" should be replaced with "one" in any of the above examples. It wouldn't have fit, and it wasn't the effect any of the authors were going for; though they can convey similar ideas, the two are not interchangeable. Increasingly, journalism and nonfiction works take a more casual tone, though "you" would still strike too familiar a tone in a piece of academic writing.

In the same vein, "one" would sound jarring in most songs. Your examples do show how effective the use of "you" can be in drawing the listener in to a song. But take another look at the lyrics you chose. "Comfortably Numb" is all about the singer, not the "you" being addressed -- it is a vivid description of the speaker's experience, almost independent of what "you" might be doing. In fact part of its power comes from the fact that the speaker feels more and more distant from "you", sensing his audience fading away, yet still struggles to communicate and make himself understood.

The lines from "Wish You Were Here" are a challenge, but not in a hostile manner -- it is an invitation to introspection in some ways. But the lines from "Welcome to the Machine", though they may well resonate with a number of listeners, might also completely miss the mark with others who may think, "this isn't about me," and lose interest.

That is the thing -- a writer can use "one" to maintain a sense of academic detachment, or "you" to try to forge a more personal connection with the audience, but as you can see its effectiveness becomes very subjective.

Why take a chance on missing out on good accidental art?

Because you also take the chance of losing your audience altogether. Dostoevsky was a master, but even he would not have been able to make his readers think if they decided they'd rather stop reading (they have to like the writing -- not necessarily the narrator -- enough to keep turning the pages). He knew the risks he was taking and nothing he did was accidental. That's not to say it isn't a chance worth taking, that it can't have an enormous payoff, but it is a chance, and not by any means a sure fire way of connecting with your readers or listeners.

--ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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I Think You're Absolutely Right (5.00/1) (#5)
by channing on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 08:08:33 PM PST
Dostoevsky was a master, but his writing isn't suited for a mass audience. It takes an awful lot of effort to really get it. I can never tell if that's because of the translation or if it's just the way he wrote. I suspect the latter.

I remember reading Faukner's The Sound and the Fury. I had to read sections over and over to figure out what was going on. There's one scene of dialogue between Quintin and his father that isn't even broken into sentences and paragraphs (much less quotes). I remember sitting down to read the book every so often and only being able to get through a few pages before drifting off. Then I'd have to go back and reread what I just read. The whole novel basically went like this for me.

Then I became sort of facinated with the few scenes I read that actually made sense. Based on those building blocks I went back and read it again, and I thought so much of it that I went and read a bunch of literary criticism. It became like a puzzle that I had to solve. There have been several novels, however, that I started and just couldn't see to the finish (including others by Faukner).

So, I'd say if you don't have that kind of narrative power, you'd better try to write for your audience.  

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the second person (4.00/1) (#8)
by transient0 on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 03:42:58 PM PST
second person narrative is a tool, i think, that every writer needs to have in his bag but one which, like a pneumatic nailgun, must be wielded with extreme care.

i wrote a short story once in the second person. it weighed in at 500 words and i don't think i could have pushed it any further without it simply becoming a writing exercise.

there is however an important distinction to be made between addressing the reader as a passive participant versus as an active participant.

in the first case the author is, to use a tired expression, breaking the fourth wall to acknowledge the readers. this can be a powerful device and many writers have used it to great effect. the advantage of this method is that the reader will automatically identify to a certain extent with the hypothetical reader named "you": they are, after all, both reading the book. this is the way that dostoyevsky is using the second person.

when the author addresses the reader as an active participant however, he takes a much bigger risk. it quickly becomes a difficult endeavour to remain engaged by a story which constantly tells you what you are doing or what you have done, especially if such actions are out of character. and, except in choose-your-own-adventures (an influential genre which you forgot to mention), the author is basically just pulling the readers along for the ride with many many opportunities to lose them. this has been done in literature on far fewer occasions. one example which springs to mind is Tom Robbin's novel: "Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas".

In "Frog Pajamas" Robbins uses the second person as active participant consistently for nearly three hundred pages. furthermore he consciously creates a protagonist that very few of his readers will identify with. The novel is readable and the tense becomes slightly transparent after time, but the book still stumbles from time to time over the inevitable second person roadblocks. i wouldn't really recommend it as a good read, but i strongly recommend it as a research tool to any other writer thinking of trying the same thing.

active vs. passive (3.00/0) (#10)
by sabeth on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 10:43:07 AM PST
That is a good distinction to make -- how much work, in a sense, is the writer asking of the second person character? And is it implied that the reader is the "you" in question, or is "you" an off-stage persona?

I might disagree that Dostoevsky's "you" is passive, here. It's not quite the cookie-cutter 19th-century "Dear reader, can you imagine what I saw next? Well, I will tell you ...." Though Dostoevsky doesn't attach any actions to the second person as such, I feel he still places a burden on his audience, by imposing certain thoughts and opinions on "you," and creating an antagonistic relationship.

It's been a long time since I last read a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure; lately I'm more used to other kinds of text-based roleplaying worlds (bless the Internet). In those cases it's just as challenging to try and anticipate the range of possible responses to a scenario so that a character can navigate the world as as that character would, rather than simply carrying out the tasks the game would have them do. Similarly, it's sometimes hard to avoid the temptation to impose certain responses, particularly emotional ones, on a character once you get going in the second person: "You are frightened to discover a ferocious tiger prowling in a rusty iron cage." Is the reader/character really scared of tigers? Would they be surprised to find it here or have they seen it before? Or do you let readers draw their own conclusions: "A tiger bares its teeth and emits a low growl as it tests the weak latch of its cage." -- and react accordingly?

--ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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the second person (4.00/1) (#9)
by Anonymous Writer on Sat Jul 30, 2005 at 05:20:53 PM PST
I am Christopher J. Stephens, author of the BOSTON METRO column quoted in this thread-"Your memory is there as blessing and curse." [I was not sure how to immediately create an account. This should explain "Anonymous writer."]
I appreciate the comments/critiques of my writing. 2nd person can definitely be a deceptive and deceitful technique. It's risky to use, but I hope I was able to more or less pull it off here.

Thanks for responding (3.00/0) (#11)
by sabeth on Fri Aug 05, 2005 at 10:50:17 AM PST
This essay was mostly an exploration of the risks involved in using the second person -- not only does the author have to walk a thin line between engaging and alienating the audience, that line lies somewhere different for almost every reader. I feel your piece straddled the line, but in the end it was effective and (no pun intended) memorable.

--ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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This Is Good Food For Thought... (3.00/0) (#6)
by CheeseburgerBrown on Sat Mar 05, 2005 at 05:54:37 AM PST
...As I'm currently composing a short story which is told entirely in the second person.

Mercifully, it will be a short short story as I couldn't imagine I could throw too much "you" at the reader before they started asking, "Who?" too much.

I chose the second person as a device to illustrate someone with amnesia regaining their memories. They are truly being informed of their basic identity, like any reader of a second person text.


I'm from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
sounds like an intriguing approach (3.00/0) (#7)
by sabeth on Sat Mar 05, 2005 at 06:51:17 AM PST
I think the second person can be a very powerful device, and certainly allows for effects that would be much harder (or impossible) to achieve otherwise. It's just more volatile at the same time. Mostly it's when I get an author-disguised-as-second-person vibe that I really want to punch through the page, poke the author in the eye and scream, "If you're really talking about yourself, say 'I,' dammit!" But hey, I fall into the trap myself -- it's easy to do.

Anyway, I'm happy if this article helped at all. Maybe you could post the story here when it's finished, in diary-space or via a link?

--ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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Difference between state (3.00/0) (#12)
by Amy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:43:27 AM PST
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