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Thinking about a story

by ana
Posted to Diaries, Diary on Wed Jan 15, 2003 at 11:07:32 AM PST
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In which the author muses about a story promised to janra loooong ago.

So a while back I suggested to Janra that I might be willing to write a piece on points of view in fiction. This is the beginnings of an outline of such a thing. Comments are welcome.

I've been working on this novel, and in the course of writing isolated scenes I've tried a number of voices & narrator styles, and I may try some more. Those who've read the manuscript pointed out that it kind of jumps around.

So here are a few points of narrative view I have thought of:

I'll write more as time permits. So what do people think? Is it worth writing more along these lines?

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    Worth exploring ... (none/0) (#1)
    by sabeth on Thu Jan 16, 2003 at 10:24:36 AM PST
    I think a general overview of narrative techniques and POV (with lots of examples!) would be interesting, and readers could also post comments about their favorite works where an unusual approach was used, or their experiences trying to deal with a certain mode of narration.

    Some more specific comments: Third person distant -- seems to me there could be a couple flavors of this: either ye olde omniscient narrator, or a specific person who's not really involved in the story itself (sometimes through a framing story -- I found these old documents and reconstructed the events behind it, sort of thing -- in which case you may have the narrator insert himself from time to time, but the majority is third person). Would also be interesting to look at mixing different narrators and effective ways to do it, but that could be getting into too much for one piece (maybe something for the ever-popular follow-up or two-parter?)

    --ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--

    Good point, that. (none/0) (#2)
    by ana on Mon Jan 20, 2003 at 08:04:32 AM PST
    Third person distant -- seems to me there could be a couple flavors of this.

    True enough. As you say, there are various ways to do this. I've always been annoyed by the narrator in House of the Seven Gables, for example, who never tires of addressing the reader directly, nor of making a deal about how s/he/it (pronounced shee-it!, I think) is a disembodied listener.

    Being omniscient without comment is the usual way this is done, though the Meanwhile, back at the ranch device is also rather annoying.

    Robertson Davies finessed this point in What's Bred in the Bone, a biographical kind of a novel about a main character who's an art forger. So of course no human being knows more than about 10% of what he's done with his life. The narrator is the Muse of Biography, who is an actual feature of the classical pantheon. Cute, if a bit contrived.

    Other examples will no doubt come to mind. Do post, if you think of them.
    Exploring dark places since last Thursday
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    Hawthorne (none/0) (#3)
    by sabeth on Tue Jan 21, 2003 at 07:44:24 AM PST
    Ha, the example I had in mind was The Scarlet Letter, so apparently Nathaniel's particular narrative quirks stuck with both of us. But I suppose this approach is not so much in vogue anymore, having given way to mostly straight-up omniscient or traditional first person. There must be better examples of the in-between narrator who isn't irritating, but I can't think of any at the moment. (Dr. Watson? It's been a long time since I read any Conan Doyle.)

    Another mostly out-of-fashion form is the epistolary novel -- certainly another way of playing with voice that's sometimes used in small doses, even if people rarely tell an entire story that way anymore.

    I have a personal favorite use of first/second person to share, but I think I'll save that for when you post the article to the queue ;)

    --ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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    Epistolary novels (none/0) (#4)
    by BradHeintz on Thu Jan 23, 2003 at 04:44:30 AM PST
    If you're interested in a good epistolary novel, check out <i>Ella Minnow Pea</i> by Mark Dunn.  Sadly, the subtitle on the new paperback edition is "A Novel in Letters", but the original hardcover was dubbed "A Progressively Lipogrammatic Epistolary Fable", which I think we'll all agree is <i>far</i> more fun to say out loud.<p>

    I won't discuss the book's premise or plot (lest I spoil the many excellent surprises), but I will offer my opinion that this is a book every writer should read, as it explores (among other things) the limits of the expressiveness of language in a novel way.<p>

    Just my $.02,<br>
    - B
    http://www.bradheintz.com/ - updated daily
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    Argh! (none/0) (#5)
    by BradHeintz on Thu Jan 23, 2003 at 04:48:00 AM PST
    And now I feel like a top-shelf dumbass for not having caught the fact that I was in plaintext rather than HTML mode when I previewed my previous post.

    Bold! Italic! Damn these habits I've picked up sites that default to HTML-enabled posting!

    OK,
    - B
    http://www.bradheintz.com/ - updated daily
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    thanks for the recommendation (none/0) (#6)
    by sabeth on Thu Jan 23, 2003 at 05:03:22 AM PST
    That's another one for the List. Sounds like just the kind of book I'd enjoy; I'll start hunting for it.

    Also, I'm with you on the plaintext woes. Usually I do catch when I'm in the wrong mode, but I'm a big fan of handcrafted HTML. Of course, now I've officially changed my default posting method to HTML in my comment prefs (why does scoop have so darned many different kinds of prefs?), I'll now proceed to post this without any markup whatsoever.

    Except for the <p> tag , of course.

    --ich sage nicht, was ich will, sondern was die Sprache will--
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