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OK, got the ideas. . . now what do i do?

by JustLikeRice
Posted to Knowledge Exchange, Musings on Wed Jan 15, 2003 at 10:45:57 AM PST
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For the past year or so I have been forming a collection of ideas and quotes. Whenever a catchy phrase bit me, or a quote leaped out of my reading and sometimes when a briliant idea floated my way I would write them all down in a composition note book.

I now have the beginings of what I hope will become my first fiction novel. One problem: I don't know how to proceed. Should I dive right in? Should I wait and develope my writing techniques more? Should I just grab another composition note book? In any case, I am still new to the world of writing and need some guidence, or just a friendly nudge.


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OK, got the ideas. . . now what do i do? | 13 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
Write! (5.00/2) (#8)
by Greyjack on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 12:14:49 AM PST
OK, got the ideas. . . now what do i do?

The answer is both simple and hard.  What do you do?  You pick up your pencil, put the tip to the paper, and start scratching out words.  Put your hands on the keyboard, start typing, and stare at the wall.  Don't read what you're writing.  You can do that later.  For now, just write.  Then write some more.  Then write some more.  When you're ready to stop, go for another half hour.  Then put it away, and don't look at it again for the rest of the day.

If you have to, read it over the next day.  95% of it will probably stink, but, in spots where you don't expect it, there'll be something you barely even remember writing that springs off the page, grabs onto your earlobe, and dangles there, its feet thumping against your jaw.  It won't be the sentence that gave you that "damn, I'm the KING WRITER!" feeling when you wrote it yesterday; it'll be something that you just cranked out in that last dash to just keep getting some damn words out to fill up that last bit of time.

Take that piece that you just found, crumple it up, stuff it in your mouth, and chew on it for a while.  OK, not literally.  But digest it, figure out what it means, what's alive there that wants to be told.  Go from there.

It won't be what you're planned.  Your story will fight with you, it will have to kick your preconceptions' ass, and if you don't figure out what it wants, you'll smother it.  The best stories fly out of your fingers so fast, they slam you in the shoulder and spin you around so that you fall out of your chair and land face-first on your shoes.  But you keep typing the whole time.  Then you type some more.  Then some more.  And, when you feel like taking a piss break, you keep typing for another half hour.  Then you put it away, and don't look at it again for the rest of the day.

If you have to, you read it over the next day.  93% of it sucks, but, another nugget will beckon coyly, wink, run its tongue over its lips, and offer you a Ho-Ho.  Don't be deceived by the snack cake -- just sit with this new, seductive little minx, and figure out what she's about.  And then write.  And write some more.  And then some more.  When you're ready for a nap, keep going for another twenty-five minutes.  Then put it away, and don't look at it again for the rest of the day.

That's pretty much how I generally go about it.

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Ah, the joys of metaphor!

Oh, and... (4.00/1) (#9)
by Greyjack on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 12:21:41 AM PST
...don't get your heart set on writing anything of any particular length.  Your story knows how long it is.  You might think it's a novel, but it'll decide it's a 3-pager.  Or the short one-off will birth a character that demands more space, that has too many things to figure out, too much going on to fit into something that can be read in a single sitting, and you'll wind up writing about 'em for weeks.  Or not.

Just make sure you finish what you start, no matter how much it sucks (unless you're just cranking through some journalling or whatever).  If you start a story, or a scene, or whatever, don't quit halfway -- even if the language is moving like a hippo's butt on the dance floor, finish it out.  You need the practice (no matter how good you get, you always need the practice), and you'll learn something one way or another, even if it's that you probably should learn a little bit more about carpet-laying if you're writing a story about Dexter's first day on the job at the Tile King.

Anyhow, I'll shut up now.

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Ah, the joys of metaphor!
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writing a novel (none/0) (#1)
by cachilders on Mon Jan 13, 2003 at 02:30:40 AM PST
especially a first novel, is a big bag of elbows.  for me, the answer is to dive right in, but i've never come to the table particularly prepared either. the best advice i can give is that you don't start writing and get discouraged by how far away the ending is. novels are long, uncomfortably long for the first time novelist, and sometimes that can prove overwhelming. my other piece of advice is to read writing down the bones by natalie goldberg, it is one of the only two books about writing that ever helped me, and it does a great job of priming the well.

if you don't read that book, then take this piece of distilled wisdom from it, write - don't edit. the rational parts of your brain will fight progress at every step by insisting that you stop and perfect what has been written.

also, given the fact that you already have a good bit of material prepared, you might benefit from working out a loose outline, nothing so heavy that it takes the fun out of the writing, but just enough to help you out when you get stuck.

and finally, avoid telling your story to friends and family, i have a bad habit of this myself and it often will defeat you, tricking your brain into thinking their is no reason to write the story since it has already been told.

unfortunately their are no universal axioms when it comes to writing, so in the end you'll have to figure it out on your own, just try to have fun doing it.

 
 
-c.a.
construct-d

sorry, those should be "there"s (none/0) (#2)
by cachilders on Mon Jan 13, 2003 at 05:00:46 AM PST
 
 
-c.a.
construct-d
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Getting started (5.00/1) (#13)
by JavaMate on Tue May 06, 2003 at 12:55:29 AM PST
I've read the comment from "cachilders" and was amazed how much I recognized of it!

1. dive right in
2. read "writing down the bones" by natalie goldberg
3. avoid telling your story to friends and family

It never got me started (up 'till now), but it really IS good advice.

Long ago, I was smoking about a pack of cigarettes a day. I tried everything to quit, but nothing worked (one day I smoked two packs in a very short time and, although it made me feel really sick, it didn't make me quit - not for long anyway).

Then, I came up with a silly idea: what if I start telling myself not to light up the next cigarette. I didn't say, not to buy any cigarettes anymore, just not to light up the first one of the ones I was going to smoke in the future. It sounds silly, I'm sure - partly because English isn't my home language (Dutch is). But it worked! When I felt the inclination to light up my next cigarette I just told myself: not this one. Any other cigarette you can smoke, just not this first one. So silly and it worked...

What I'm trying to tell you? Do the reverse of what I had to do in order to stop smoking: start writing anything, as long as you don't think of it for being part(s) of the novel you so desperately wonna write. Write bits and pieces; use the information you already gathered, but don't try to fit them in to a structure (yet).

Hope any of this makes sense to you

Greetings,
Ronald

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Telling the story (none/0) (#11)
by whojgalt on Wed Mar 05, 2003 at 04:34:09 AM PST
and finally, avoid telling your story to friends and family, i have a bad habit of this myself and it often will defeat you, tricking your brain into thinking their is no reason to write the story since it has already been told.

I've had the opposite experience. I tell my girlfriend all my latest thoughts and what I wrote that day. I find it forces me to make the vague ideas coherent in order to tell them. And occasionally, she asks just the right question, the one I should have been asking my characters.

Once, she also helped me come up with a character name that I couldn't quite pin down. After I described the character, she said a name, and I realized it was the name that character would have.

She'll definitely be getting a mention in the dedication.

P.S., just a grammar-nazi thing here, but "their is no reason..."?

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i know (none/0) (#12)
by cachilders on Thu Mar 06, 2003 at 01:01:12 AM PST
i replied with the correction to the grammar issue. i tell my wife about what i'm writing, but she tends to get angry with me for not using her suggestions,
 
-c.a.
construct-d
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All of the above... (none/0) (#3)
by janra on Tue Jan 14, 2003 at 05:08:03 PM PST

Should I dive right in? Should I wait and develop my writing techniques more? Should I just grab another composition note book?

Well, you'll never finish if you don't start, so dive right in. You certainly want to develop your writing technique more, but using your novel's first draft as practice time is perfectly acceptible; it will be edited - first drafts are never perfect. And a writer can always use another composition notebook :-)

I agree with cachilders - you have a lot of material, see if you can get a loose outline going. Don't worry about making a tight plot, just figure out what your characters' main goals are, what main things are in their way, and how they eventually achieve their goals. Tightening and weaving in subplots can come later.

I'd like to add a bit of a modification to the "write, don't edit" comment, though. Don't do both at the same time, but taking a break from writing to edit, even if the draft isn't finished, can be helpful. For one, re-reading can remind you what has already happened; for another, having the previous parts fresh in your mind while writing will let you tie parts together more, and make it more consistent. I've been printing my novel out for an "editing pass" about once a year or so (I don't work on it much when school is in session, so it goes slowly) and it's really helped me keep it consistent, and sometimes move it forward, because I can see what's missing and what themes were showing up in the past and should be revisited.


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Who needs to be big and burly when you can just apply physics?
Shall I write? (none/0) (#5)
by Wordmixer on Thu Jan 16, 2003 at 09:32:05 AM PST
I am just about to reach the halfway marker on my second novel. I found a lot use in going back to my first chapter after completing twelve others. I had a perspective that I did not have at the beginning of my journey. I could see how things were panning out.
My advice is to climb in and write. If not now, when? If you feel uncomfortable you could write some pieces regarding characters/places that surround your novel, start painting the picture.

cachilders mentioned Writing down the Bones was one of the two most useful books on writing. What was the other one?

Benjamin F Jones
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The Forest for the Trees (none/0) (#6)
by cachilders on Thu Jan 16, 2003 at 01:29:34 PM PST
An Editor's Advice to Writers, by Betsy Lerner. It's a quick read with no technical content, but it's a great motivation tool.
 
 
-c.a.
construct-d
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Books (none/0) (#7)
by Greyjack on Mon Jan 27, 2003 at 09:14:23 PM PST
Huh, I'll have to check Lerner out -- haven't encountered that one. Golberg is definitely worthwhile, although I could've done with a smidge less zen.

Robin Hemley's got some solid advice; damned fun read, too. One of my faves, definitely. Anne Lamott is a must-read after you've been at it for a bit. And don't overlook Dorothea Brande, even though she might make you realize that actually, writing just ain't your gig. (hers is a phenomenal book -- she swung her foot back in '34, and 69 years later, she's still ready to kick you in the ass, if you've got sufficient writer's stones to give her a listen).

(Anyway, not exactly the right venue for a book discussion, but hey. I just re-read Hemley, got on a roll)



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Ah, the joys of metaphor!
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continuity/discipline... (none/0) (#10)
by Anonymous Writer on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:15:37 PM PST
try to get a schedule and stick with it no matter what - a set number of words per day, set number of pages, whatever. Henry Miller advised that on days you didn't have new material flowing out of you, you could use the time to polish and work on what you already had.

One of the biggest things, though, is getting into the routine and sticking with it.

Cool site, by the way. ;)

-kpaul

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